And it has worked just find on elk, moose, even big brown bears, though most think it waaay too light for that. Nosler has built quite a cartridge family, and it continues to grow. The 27 Nosler has 32% more case capacity than the .270 Winchester, 22% more than the .270 Winchester Short Magnum and 14% more than the .270 Weatherby. Those are the two loads I keep seeing in my local Sportsmans Warehouse and Cabelas. The 27 Nosler should be easy enough. The primary example right now is the 28 Nosler, but 7mm bullet development continues, and I predict cartridge development will keep pace. And suddenly, in 2020, were getting two of them. Nosler has introduced the 27 Nosler, a 27-caliber cartridge based on the fat .404 Jeffery case, same as the .30, .28, and .26 Noslers. It has a near perfect balance of length, width, power, and recoil. Well, as the majority of us are primarily deer hunters, and the .270 Winchester handles deer and similar sized game so well, I dont think that will come to pass. Reno Nevada. Any rifle strong enough to contain the 7mm Rem. Guns. That 165-grain ABLR has a G1 BC of 0.620, offering great performance in even the windiest of conditions, as well as retaining energy and delivering a flat trajectory. Any rifles already chambering for any of the fatter magnums like the RUMs, Dakotas, or .338 Lapua should be fit to fit the 27 Nosler. Some folks will take any attempt to improve the .270 Winchester as a direct insult, yet I disagree: like the .22-250 Remington and .35 Whelen, an improved twist rate can really change the game altogether, and this is exactly what the 27 Nosler has done. You are all set and go forth with complete confidence. Look at ammo cost to either buy or reload, whichever you do. The rimless case uses a 35-degree shoulder for headspacing, and maintains a 2.590-inch case length and 3.340-inch cartridge overall length. No rough-and-tough manly man in the 1960s was going to admit he couldnt handle that. The 27 Nosler has 32% more case capacity than the .270 Winchester, 22% more than the .270 Winchester Short Magnum and 14% more than the .270 Weatherby. Heres a look at 10 of the most flexible long-range hunting cartridges. A high B.C. The 28 Nosler adds considerable powder, thus energy, to push the same 175-grain bullet as the 280 AI. The onshore winds had begun to swirl a bit, and I was thoroughly convinced that the hunt was essentially over for that evening. Roughly equivalent to a . Say the bullets are more than 180 grains in 300 Win Mag. Historians of guns and ammo credit OConnors writings for popularizing the little .270, which was and still is a bit of an oddball caliber. retains the title of best balanced elk caliber in it. but it is not a 1,000. yard Elk rifle it requires skill. Not only does it pack a whopping 3,188 foot pounds of energy at 100 yards, it maintains a measurement of over 1,500 foot pounds out to 747 yards. At extreme range, hits or misses may not be apparent, and in the late afternoon it will be dark long before you get there to look. Bugling rifle hunts arent common, but they still exist. And I write calibers and cartridges because caliber means the diameter of the bore. In comparison a 250-grain slug at 2,600 fps will churn up just 3,750 ft-lb. With 170 gr Berger Elite hunters, RP once fired brass, win large rifle primers, 57.5 grains RL 26 COAL 3.484 I get 2,930 FPS at roughly 70 degrees. With a .28 Nosler and a TTSX, you can pretty much guarantee a full passthrough on almost any angle. Chambered in the .27 caliber 6.8 Western makes this a certain elk gun. No doubt Ive angered all of its fans by comparing it to the old, slow .30-06. Many argue this about the .28-calibers, too, but the old 7mm Remington Magnum remains, since its inception in 1962, the most popular and effective 7mm elk caliber in the mountains. Ever since Nosler announced that they were coming out with the Nosler 27, I have been thinking I would prefer a Nosler 28. However, simply not passing through the body is not necessarily a bad thing, and depends highly on the bullet construction. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. So my final hunting setup only weighs 8 pounds, 8 ounces. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? Fantastic cartridge and superb bullet! Recoil is stout, but substantially less than any magnum .30. (Photo: Kristin Alberts/Guns.com) Synonymous with quality hunting ammunition, Nosler shakes things up in the .270 world introducing a new caliber - the 27 . The 27 Nosler follows on the heels of the success of its siblingsthe 26, 28, 30 and 33 Noslersbeing based on the classic .404 Jeffery case, shortened to fit in a standard long-action and with much of the body taper removed to enhance case capacity. .662) already on dealer shelves. Retains > 1,700 foot/pounds of energy at 500 yards. Though Nosler offers just two loads, the handloader can take full advantage of the full gamut of component bullets available for the .270 Winchester and others, giving the handloader a bullet range of 130 to 165 grains. That increased capacity, coupled with modern powders, allows the 27 Nosler to drive bullets faster and flatter than ever before. But based on the usage, grains, the barrel life could vary. Although Ive been shooting all my life, I have to mentally check my shoulder mount before I pull the trigger. Nevertheless, the 180-grain has long been the standard with elk hunters. If needed, 27 Nosler brass can be formed from 30 Nosler brass. . Elk wont care one way or the other so long as you use a suitable bullet and park it properly. Petersen's HUNTING Publisher, Kevin Steele is in the CZ booth with Dylan Rice at SHOT Show to talk about CZ 600 Series Trail rifle. Some .30-calibers work best in lever actions, some in short actions, some in full magnum actions. Close or far, thick timber or wide-open, the .338 Win Mag is an elk cartridge! Ive just shown that its no faster than the .300 Win. The pieces of the .277 Sig Sauer cartridge are assembled via an internal pressure ring of some kind near the base. Not long ago, the .270 Winchester reigned supreme. For starters, it burns more powder. Trying to decide between the 27 Nosler and the 28 Nosler. Most factory loads from a 24-inch barrel are rated 2,960 fps. The Nosler M48 Carbon Mountain Rifle is reviewed and taken to the range, where we shot and tested several handloads. Read Next: Weird, Off-Beat, and Cool Guns and Gear from SHOT Show 2020. Mag. at 3,000 fps. The included photo of the model/mock up of this case is close but not exact. IMR 7828, IMR 7977 and IMR 8133; Reloder 26 and Reloder 33; Hodgdons H1000 and H50BMG; all make good choices for the big case. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. It hits harder than the .30/06 and even the old .300 H&H Magnum without as much recoil as the .338. How much will it cost? My 28 Nosler launches the 162 Grain EL-DX's at 3,250 FPS. With good form, a boat tail 225-grain .338 slug should rate a B.C. Hell, Ive had at least one for 40 years. Well whichever you choose it sounds like you will only be one off. Mag. The 27 Nosler has a neck length of 0.328, so neck tension isnt an issue at all; generally speaking, the cartridges neck should be at least one caliber in length, and most are, with the glaring exception of the .300 Winchester Magnum. I had the 170 elites up to 3125 fps when it was 270 wby so I'm hoping to easily get to 3200 + once it's a 27. Nonsense. Mag. In local stores, you are unlikely to find anything other than Hornadys Precision Hunter 162-grain ELD-X, or a Noslers 175-grain Trophy Hunter load with an Accubond bullet. Use enough gun, enough caliber, and enough cartridge and bullet to invite them to dinner. Thats the key to each of these new .270 cartridges. These days certain 6.5mms have been growing in popularity despite relatively light bullets and muzzle velocities well under 3,000 fps. The classic was, is, and remains a lever-action chambered to something larger than .30-caliber. Another desirable choice is the also-scarce .358 Winchester, and I took a fine Colorado bull with a Marlin in .338 Marlin Express, a great cartridge. The .28 Nosler cartridge is one of the best cartridges for hunting elk as long as controlled-expansion bullets are used. 28 Nosler is a one and done for everything on NA. Still a great cartridge, as is the .300 Weatherby. The Ammunition that I will be focusing on for the 27 Nosler are factory Nosler Trophy Grade 150 grain AccuBond and 165-grain AccuBond Long Range offerings. Yes, this is a short-action, small capacity case which demands we ask the obvious question: how can the little .277 SIG Fury shoot as fast from a 16-inch barrel as the larger .270 Winchester shoots from a 24-inch barrel? It will them be 3.0 inches high at 260 yards and 3.0 inches low at about 326 yards. But that has nothing to do with the actual performance of the .277 SIG Fury cartridge or rifle. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Manufactured by Nosler as part of their Trophy Grade Ammunition lineup and loaded with the legendary Nosler Partition bullet, this is hands down the best 28 Nosler ammo for elk, moose, or bear hunting at shorter ranges. Quite frankly I was surprised to get that velocity out of the 270 win. Here was the same basic belted magnum case, but the 7mm threw bullets as heavy as 175 grains. The 27 Nosler has 32% more case capacity than the .270 Winchester, 22% more than the .270 Winchester Short Magnum and 14% more than the .270 Weatherby. However, you should be aware that the recoil on a .28 Nosler is not right for all shooters. In the other case, it bucked around for about 5 seconds before expiring. but doesnt kick as hard. throwing similar weight projectiles means youre packing elk medicine. .308-inch diameter bullet carrying 1,500 ft-lb energy and I doubt theyll notice any difference. There have been other .270s, like the .270 Weatherby Magnum, and Winchesters own .270 WSM, but they have maintained the same 1:10-inch twist rate of the .270 Winchester, and use the same projectile weights. 30 Nosler cases are preferred if forming 27 Nosler cases because of the similar shoulder dimension. At 2,500 fps and a B.C. If youre shopping for the perfect elk caliber/rifle, determine how much recoil you can tolerate without flinching and how much rifle weight you might enjoy packing. Even at the 500-yard mark, the 27 Nosler will deliver over 2,100 ft.-lbs. I think the reason the .28 Nosler factory loads are so focused on long range expansion is that it is an extremely capable long range cartridge. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Loaded with a 150gr bullet, the 27 Nosler has an additional 800ft/lbs. The 28 Nosler, on the other hand, was introduced in 2015 and is known for its excellent accuracy and energy retention. Makes me feel good to see I am within 150 fps of the 27 Nosler. Work the numbers, compare for yourself; at moderate ranges differences arent that dramatic. This short-fat, looking remarkably similar to the 6.8 Western, adds around 200 fps to the best Creedmoor speeds, and that lets you shoot the same bullets with less drop, less wind deflection, and more energy on target. Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. Bottles & 12-oz. When choosing among these three .270s one must consider more than just ballistics. Because elk are so tough, the farther the shot, the harder you ought to hit them! Certainly no flies on the .270 but that would sway it to the 28 for me. Re-barrel to the 27 Nosler and go kill elk. Im convinced these new, heavy bullets elevate the .270s performance on larger game: Similar to the 7mms with like bullet weights; and exceeding the capability of any 6.5mm. But I still dont consider them a top pick for elk just because, well, larger calibers provide a slight edge. Then, the barrel life will be around 1500 rounds! The new Sig round is wildly different than any other .270 cartridge because its been chronographed spitting 140-grain .277 bullets 3,000 fps. To contain 80,000 psi pressures SIG has built a reportedly beefy rifle. 57.5 gr. More power. He has managed multiple gun ranges, and has hunted around the world. Mag. Enjoy your videos very much. A standard .270 Winchester can do that, right? It's extremely flat shooting and drops an incredible amount of energy on target. The .30-06 may not be an extreme range cartridge, but it is capable for the shooting most of us would do. Well, the 27 Nosler shoots flatter than the 6.5 PRC, and delivers more energy on target than the 300 Win. The old .270 Winchester has been hotly debated since 1925, yet it has been a favorite among thousands of elk pros. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is with Dawn Wehunt of Rock River Arms INC. learning about the new Ascendant platform. The main body, however, is brass. The general consensus is that this old, belted magnum is the best caliber for elk hunting. Elk dont like any of this. The 27 Nosler has a long leade for sleek, high BC, long ogive, ABLR and RDF style bullets. With modern loads the .45-70 has 200-yard capability, and no issues about hitting an elk hard enough. of energy, making it a suitable choice for an all-around North American cartridge. So match your 7mm elk dreams to your recoil tolerance and select among this big family. Winchester borrowed the same basic belted magnum case, blew out the walls, pushed the 25-degree shoulder forward, shortened overall length to .30/06 standard, and created a powder reservoir holding about 90 grains of water. Nosler, the world's finest bullets, ammunition, rifles, & brass. All good choices, except: Any rifle used for elk must wear a scope, because of low-light situations, and the need to find a hole through foliage. I have tremendous respect for elk. Mag. bear a closer comparison. Any cartridge in a caliber big enough to hit an elk hard hits you hard, too. Why so fast? And, I know they are going to be pretty similar, but, still, I have to choose one. Some shoot faster and hit harder than the .338 Win. Last year, I purchased a Browning X-Bolt Pro in .28 Nosler. Some of us hunt still-hunt elk in black timber and on brushy lower slopes. One of the shots put the wildebeest flat on the ground immediately. 28 Nosler is a one and done for everything on NA. The two old wildebeest bulls weighed about 315 pounds each, and a mature bull elk weighs approximately 650 pounds. For me, I havent developed any flinching issues and Id prefer to have a gun that I know will shoot incredibly flat with little wind drift at long distances for those cross-canyon elk shots. If needed, 27 Nosler brass can be formed from 30 Nosler brass. Many elk hunters consider the old .375 H&H the ultimate elk medicine, but not everyone cares to handle their recoil or the kind of rifle mass that tames it. Time will tell. There are dozens of good elk cartridges, with choices depending largely on the distances you intend to shoot, thus dictating the bullet energy you need to project. Hornady Outfitter is pretty accurate and its less than its other Nosler cousins. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. 6.5 Creedmoor. Weatherby came out with his .270 magnum fairly soon (about 20 years) after the .270 Winchester took off, but the next .277 shooter didnt pop until 2001 as the .270 Winchester Short Magnum. This gives it the necessary elasticity to expand and seal the chamber while the stronger steel keeps the head from rupturing. Calibers lighter and heavier than the 7mms through .338s can be considered excellent for elk. In my situation, I think the tradeoffs of recoil are far outweighed by the positive aspects of the cartridge. On the other side of the caliber scale are the .35 Whelen (.30/06 necked up) and various .375s. The .28 Nosler shoots flat and powerfully, but it is expensive to shoot, burns barrels quickly, and has significant recoil. Just $1 per month , Heres a list of some of the most notable cartridges for elk hunting. If you were to buy a scope for all around elk hunting/500 yards and in 2.5x8 would be just . I also have a 28 Nosler and am very impressed with its performance. One of the most effective elk calibers available. And he could get it in affordable rifles from several manufacturers. How long of a barrel are you willing to carry? Its been one of the best selling, popular all-round hunting cartridges in the U.S. Much of its appeal is reasonable recoil, fairly significant muzzle velocity in the 3,000 fps range, mid-sized bullet weights found to be ideal for taking deer-sized game and good enough for some larger stuff with good design and placement. Joined Feb 1, 2016 Messages 82. The 225-grain load in an eight-pound rifle should generate about 40.8 ft-lb of recoil energy. Only downside to the 27N is lack of high BC bullets to really stretch its legs out. At 800 yards the 28 Nosler carries just over 2000 ft lbs of energy. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. You, your kids, and 90 percent of the shooters might love the SIG Cross rifle, in which case the .277 SIG Fury might be your baby. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. Zeroed 3.3 inches high at 100 yards, that projectile will drop just two inches at 300 yards, deflect just five inches in a 10 mph right angle wind, and cling to 2,866 ft-lb energy. The right bullet in the right place. This will be influenced significantly by the terrain youll hunt. Mag.,) the 27 Nosler should be able to nudge a 165-grain along at 3,100 fps, perhaps 3,150 fps. Hornady Outfitter is pretty accurate and its less than its other Nosler cousins. They dont start as fast but with better aerodynamics, theyll pass lighter slugs at mid-range, and hit way out there with more authority. They shoot flatter, but they kick me into next week. The old .270 Winchester has been hotly debated since 1925, yet it has been a favorite among thousands of elk pros. Elk Hunter 338 Official LRH Sponsor. A couple of friends swear by the .444 Marlin for hunting elk in oak brush. The 190-gr. 28 Nosler is essentially a shortened version of the 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum (7mm RUM). 1. On much of their marketing material for the cartridge, they call it The New Herd Bull.. For elk, I would go with the 28. Some come in ultralight rifles for easy mountain hunting, some in extra heavy platforms for stand hunting or longer range shooting. The cartridge is a proven performer. Will you be able to handload once-fired cases? It worked fine for long range deer hunting, but elk hunters wanted more bullet. re: new 27 nosler vs 28 nosler Posted on 12/17/20 at 8:43 pm to kengel2. With this bullet, each elk dropped in it's tracks with only one shot, all between 100-350 yards away. But the .338 Win. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Learn More . We use cookies to make your experience better. None require field artillery, but a mature Rocky Mountain bull might weigh 800-1000 pounds, four times the size of most mule deer bucks. One of the main differences between the 26 Nosler vs 28 Nosler is velocity. That means less tracking of wounded game, which is all math thats sure to please any hunter. the 27 Nosler drops 11 less than a 270 Win and 7 less than a 270 WSM. Although decisively effective, this means that it is overpowered for deer. Mag., and elk hardly know the difference. With archery energy is not the killing factor, yet arrows kill big elk quickly. Sales bloomed immediately when it released. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. This meant the .338 Win. So, the most likely candidate today is a modern .45-70 lever-action, either a Marlin or Henry in the popular guide gun configuration, short barrel with easy scope mounting. Shooters who love the look of AR rifles with folding stocks, adjustable combs and LOP, barrel shrouds, etc. Nearly every elk hunter will care somewhat about the weight of their rifle after a long day of hiking. My impression is that traditionalists will stick with the good old .270 Winchester. A 140- to 150-grain .264 driven to the same speeds as a .270 Win. Having said that, Id like to see more manufacturers focusing on deeper penetrating bullets in their .28 Nosler factory loads because the cartridge already shoots so fast that I am less concerned with expansion at a distance than I am about penetrationat least for elk. Im not sure if theyve won the contract or if the testing is still underway, but the civilian bolt-action rifle and ammo should become available in 2020. If you plan to order your ammunition online, the best elk hunting cartridge Ive seen is probably the Nosler 160-grain Trophy Grade ammunition with a good old Partition bullet. The Hornady designed the .300 Precision Rifle Cartridge (the .300 PRC) as a precision long-range rifle . I did not determine the rifling twist rate of the Cross Rifle, but Im guessing it will be faster than the traditional 1-10 inches of the .270 Winchester. #20. I took some big elk with the Swift A-Frame and bullet performance was exceptional. The difference is .07 of an inch, the animal in the receiving end will never know that difference. .280 Ackley Improved. Believe it or not, with the right bullet, it can hang right with the .300 Win Mag without the recoil. Years of development and pushing the limits of what is possible in a rifle optic have led up to this moment. Shot was quartering to and both shots exited behind off shoulder. Which begs the question: Why arent more bird hunters using them? Kevin Steele stops by the Taurus booth to speak with Cody Osborn about the all new Raging Hunter platform from Taurus International. By 600 yards that energy advantage will have dropped to just 180 ft-lb. Kevin Steele, Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING talks with JJ Reich of HEVI-Shot about the new offerings for 2023. While there are some drawbacks to this cartridge for elk hunting, in general its one of the best rounds on the market. After years of hunting and shooting from Africa to Alaska, I think most get cartridge enery wrong. Although there are more advanced and fancy bullet designs created more recently, most factory loads for the 28 Nosler focus on long range expansion, and Id prefer to have a Partitions deep penetration for elk. The 27 Nosler shares the same caliber as the storied .270 Winchester and other .27 caliber rifles. Sticking with the 8-pound rifle, the 26 Nosler pushing a 142-grain bullet 3,200 fps will recoil 16 fps with nearly 32 f-p energy. Im not convinced this is a good thing. This new 10mm from FN is rugged, versatile, and effective. Your taste in rifle weight, mass, and recoil will color your choices. Mags. For the fourth consecutive time in as many days, the 27 Nosler had done exactly what I had asked of it. 28 Nosler/160 AB is a great elk combination. Is 28 Nosler too much for deer? The .300 Win Mag is the worlds most popular magnum. The old 757 is itself a proven elk getter. Always, the idea is to hit a bull as well as you can, but you want to hit him hard. The smaller the bullet, the higher its quality and the more precise its deposit must be. With greater frontal area (than a .30) and heavy bullets, the .338 will do this. could be chambered in the standard Model 70 rifles of the day and eventually most other standard length bolt action rifles. I am thinking of bullet weight and higher B.C. . My thoughts are this, the .25-calibers, limited to 120-grain bullets, are too light for bull elk. In both cases, the 163 grain ELD-X bullet did not exit the animals body and used all that energy inside the vitals. We manufacture Partition, AccuBond, E-Tip, Ballistic Tip, Custom Competition and much more. The SIG Furys is 80,000 psi. The Barnes penetrate . If your chosen bullet fails to expand at 1,000 yards, its a poor choice, no matter the energy. The 26 Nosler has a higher muzzle velocity than the 28 Nosler, making it ideal for long-range shooting. The ELD-X is not a deep penetrating bullet, but instead is designed for reliable expansion even at longer distances and slower speeds. This will be for shooting mono-metal bullets mostly for elk hunting. Noslers .27 will be chambered in that companys M48 bolt-action rifles. If you anticipate hunting big, open country or canyonlands where shots could go long, the .300 and .338 magnums should be on your list. Unless Sig Sauers new .277 SIG Fury is more your style. Super pressure, if you will. The axis doe was at the head of herd, and DonDonwho despite his initial impressions made an excellent guidesimply nudged with his bristled chin and said Two-fifty. ), Read Next: The Best New Guns, Ammo, and Hunting Gear from SHOT Show 2020, Nosler representatives couldnt tell me the B.C. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. Less variety in factory loads on the market. So, in open country, a fast 7mm has tremendous appeal. This is, perhaps, one of the worst ways to measure a cartridges suitability for hunting because it doesnt take into account shot placement or bullet design; however, it at least provides some barometer of the cartridges power. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. in the mid .4s to low .5s, good enough to provide maximum point blank range of 320 to 340 yards on a 10-inch target zone. That increased capacity, coupled with modern powders, allows the 27 Nosler to drive bullets faster and flatter than ever before. Im not not the kind of shooter that whips out a 50BMG or .338 Lapua for a casual day on the range. The "new" .270s (27 Nosler and 6.8 Western), with faster twists and bullets up to 175 grains change the game. I wouldnt want to use my lightweight rifle in .28 Nosler for a range gun when I want to shoot 50-100 shots for a practice session. The final arbiters of the Best elk calibers are you and the elk, but here are my top five that I chose for their balance of power, reach, recoil, trajectory (drop and drift,) availability, affordability in reasonably compact, light, mountain ready rifles. Mag. buried one Winchester magnum and created another. hatched five years later and gave big brother a real run for his money. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made.
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