Pat had a string of bad relationships in her past and was not happy. There was also forensic evidence, obviously planted by them crooked cops, according to defenders. The police report misspells his name (Troutman) and doesnt include his address, suggesting authorities didnt want anyone to track him down, according to Patricias side. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. WebTexas-born Patricia (Tissie) Said, the mother of the two girls, should long ago have been charged as an accomplice in their honor killing. Keep in mind that 34 hairs are in custody of the state police, so where are the other 4 hairs? How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. Rest in peace Joann and Alex. "You knew how the abduction would end," Bent said. So much of it, it would take all day to elaborate here. Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. She had had numerous run-ins with the police and, each time, would tell them to be ready because the end of the world was coming. After researching this case more thoroughly, I stand corrected about the time it took the jury to return a verdict. Great catch. because theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. Perhaps that would lessen your fright. I also communicated with Patricia via email to get her input on some matters. Owens said Said made her a weak woman but that those days are over. From my point of view, the American police investigations are first hand, and often very poorly done, Ive only seen worse in the British police, which is paradoxical given the laudatory talent of both nationalities, but it is a Scandinavian saying: bigger the mouth, smaller the facts. I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, in a letter to Patricia. And I hope I can get down to see her., Were very thankful to know that Patty is alive and well, Smith added. You murdered your girls," she said. Joann was fun, likable, beautiful, always happy, said her sister-in-law Cindy Wiard. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. "You can keep those evil eyes glaring just glare away because this is going to be the last time that you see me.". Bob Kopta said that his wife had mental health issues and had spoken of going to the warm climate of the island. Joanns first husband, New Jersey construction worker Michael Jack, who had reportedly abused her during their marriage, also had a solid alibi. If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. Watch Wrong Man season 2, and then come back and make comment. On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. Have you read the book? The LAPD alleged that Patricias motive was to get Jeromes insurance money, which had a value of $30,000. Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. Patricias professional life included short-lived gigs as a Century 21 real estate agent and an Oldsmobile salesperson. Well of course it is, so you overstated your opinion as though you know it to be fact, thus the jury and others were wrong; ironic because youre quick to complain that others are much to sure of *their* opinion shes guilty. The media love the femme fatale., FBI lab blunder. The womans disappearance became a missing person case with the Ross Township Police Department that sat on the shelf, lacking progress, for decades. Read the crime and public safety news your neighbors are talking about. This article is little more than fiction. It then makes light of the fact that the car in which the (incriminating) hairs were found was absent of any blood. I believe the answer to your question is in my comment above. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. Its totally irrelevant. Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. According to the Division of the Adult Institutions and Gov. They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. They moved into her house in Salisbury County, staying together for about two years. Irelands husband buried it in the yard because he didnt feel comfortable with a firearm inside, she said. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. Patricia and Mark McCloskey, the St. Louis homeowners who pointed guns at protesters, pleaded not guilty Wednesday to weapons and evidence tampering charges. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. Your email address will not be published. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Judge Chika Anyiam sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. The woman who was showing the home alleged that Patricia was involved in the theft. According to the autopsy report, Patricias husband, Jerome Scott, had only a few months to live because of a health problem involving a bloodless liver and pancreatic fibrosis. Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! She was the one that left Andy! And dance instructor William Jarrett couldnt remember whether she attended his dance class at the club the night of Joanns disappearance. Patricia complied fully with the original investigation of the crime and wasnt a suspect because none of the blood or fingerprints found at the crime scene matched hers. Stop it.. Caledonia County Deputy State's Attorney Kirk Williams read a letter from the Jenkins family to the court during the hearing. I come home one night, and shes just gone, and nobody knows where shes at, Bob Kopta, husband of Patricia Kopta, said at a press conference reported by Pittsburgh-based NBC affiliate WPXI. According to court documents, Patricia Owens, the victims mother and Saids former wife, told authorities that her son and Yaser Saids brothers indicated support for the killings and were not cooperative with law enforcement. Said tried to blame the FBI for not searching for an unknown person, he said, was the real killer. Have a tip we should know? Yaser Abdel Said, 65, was found guilty of the 2008 capital murders of his daughters, Sarah Said, 17, and Amina Said, 18, according to the Dallas Morning News. The trial was taking so much of my time. I made the confession on tape that I had rehearsed with the LAPD, said Larry Wright. Its sad that some people just cant move on and continue to feel that what they want is going to be THEIRS regardless. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. During the tour Alfey was able to slip away into a room that was made for a little boy. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. She won't see them graduate from college. ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. And while youre on that list, you can be happy in the knowledge youre not in rarefied company. You say by definition! simply to create an atmosphere of hatred towards a person who, in all probability, has been wrongfully imprisoned. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. (Ross Township Police Department). She is a tough one, Sheriff Gerald Hege would later tell the Morning Call in a June 29, 1997 interview. Prue is currently serving a life sentence with the eventual opportunity for parole. ), The Wrong Man investigators Ira Todd and Joe Kennedy have some theories of their own. Had there been a switch? Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a This woman killed and is where she belongs! I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. New state, new man. And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. That poor child and that poor woman. The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. Throughout the process, she heard many community members waiting for the proceedings to be over. Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. So we can just pretend that everyone is honest all of the time? And the obvious answer is not as you claim. Mr Freeman, Why are youre rude about others who disagree with your OPINION (including jury and appeal judges)? The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found. Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. No show. At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. Have a tip or story idea? Everyone lies. I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away. I noticed quite a few errors myself. It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. "You deserve to die now, not in prison. I just watched Reasonable Dont on this case. What definition? Thats my life.. Blasczyk said she is pleased with the outcome of the case. Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. Theres also the matter of a woman who suddenly remembered she saw Joann with another man at a Food Mart store five days after the disappearance. "If she could do that as a woman, my God.". Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. But in October 1998, the LAPD established a cold case task force and reopened the murder case 17 years after Jerome Scotts death. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. As I stated previously, if she cannot speak for herself, Im happy to step up on her behalf. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree Marissa Suarez, in the matching brown hat and scarf, and Patricia Todisco, in the darker hat, are seen inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 (images via FBI court filing). The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. Highly charged case. This is the most ridiculous take ever! which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. Or the ME and the entomologist that explained how impossible it would be for that baby and mother to be out there for four months, deceased at that, and still be as intact as they were, and the fact that the baby was double the size of a three month old child. Thank you Kerry. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. Did Patricia have the dyed blond hair when they broke up in 1993? Very similar. However, Said never called 911. Why? Then you claim this is an opinion. I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. The fat cow is guilty as hell and I hope she continues to have the shit kicked out of her in prison every day of her useless life. DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. This woman was motivated by an obsession with a man who no longer wanted her. Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. For more on the Katrinak murder case, you can watch Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction for free on YouTube. According to the Charley Project, a missing persons database named after Charles Brewster Charley Ross, one of the first Americans kidnapped for a ransom in the nations history, Patricia Kopta went missing in June 1992 and was reported missing in November 1992. Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! Jenkins' assailant Patricia Prue was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole on Friday after deciding to plead guilty the day before to charges of aggravated attempted murder, kidnapping and conspiracy. Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. But otherwise, extremely similar, a single bullet fired into the head, the woman later beaten to make sure she died, the hair, which had remained in the bracelet of our victim in this case, the way it was executed outside the house in a wooded area, at the command of the gentleman who did not want to soil his house, and the child who in our case was abandoned in the car. She made Joanne kill the baby PLEASE. A man was convicted Thursday of helping to hide a brother who was accused of murdering his teenage daughters in Irving more than 12 years ago, the U.S. Attorneys Office announced. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. The Irish-Italian girl had full, fluffy dark hair, olive skin, and a pretty face. Im dying. I very much doubt you are. He was captured in August and is in state custody. Its definitely getting rougher every day, Andrew told the Morning Call. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded.. Jenkins' family left the courtroom without comment on Friday, but they hugged each other once the sentence was ordered. I find it weird that youre going to kill a woman just because she hung up on you and maybe tell you some shitty world because you call like an ex. "I don't have any mercy for that lady," Blasczyk said, referring to Patricia Prue. I attack only those whove considered themselves not only judges on this case, but go on to vent their spleen aimed at a person who in my opinion is innocent of this crime, based on all Ive read and watched without fear of retaliation If they so freely attack someone in the most vicious way, why should they be off limits? The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. You, however seem to have no problem with these hurtful and damaging comments aimed at Rorrer. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. Patricia Kopta appears in two photos, spaced some 31 years apart, after being discovered alive in Puerto Rico after being declared dead. Immediately after getting out of prison in the year 2000, Larry wrote a detailed letter stating that he lied about his sisters involvement in the death of her husband. The sisters, who were students at Lewisville High School, were found dead in their fathers taxi in Irving. Its barely visible in the picture. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. "It's been a long time coming for the family and the community," Warren said. Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions. I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. She was wrongfully convicted.. According to court papers from Patricia 2017 appeal, DNA on the cigarette butt found near the two bodies belonged to Appellant. (Prosecutor Michael McIntyre, however, told ForensicFilesNow.com that that the cigarette butt was never actually tested). You ought to acquaint yourself thoroughly with the case and not allow yourself to get any further elevated on your high horse. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. Jerry Browns office. In one entry, she writes that she has plans for people who have messed with her, and that "people will be surprised of what she is capable of," Caledonia County State's Attorney Lisa Warren said. WebPatricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. She was always looking for a fight, Gary Gabard told the Morning Call, which noted that he was a head shorter than Patricia. Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. And when Patricia was taken into custody where they removed 39 hairs with root, and then all of a sudden after the FBI report say that the hair tested had NO ROOT ATTACHED, the hair tested had a root? There is pendency of DNA investigation for Routier. Patricias phone bill showed no record of a call to Catasauqua that day, but police noticed she didnt make any calls at all from her house in North Carolina that day either suggesting she could have been out of state and used a pay phone to dial up the Katrinaks. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. But none of those charges ever stuck. Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. WoW! Unfortunately, most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense, and theyre only more unlikely to do so, given todays social media. The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. Bully for you if youve read a lot and seen a lot: its meaningless to other posters and adds nothing to your argument for innocence. You seem to have a fragile ego. Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. Senate Bill 1399, the compassionate release bill signed into law a year ago, allows prisoners who are permanently and medically incapacitated to be released from prison and into the care of family and caretakers. I thought the justice system in my state and the people were narrow-minded and corrupt. They also think she killed her first hubby Larry Ford as well. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. Patricia Prue also expressed remorse for her husband's actions. Thats all for this post. Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. Patricia Rorrer has been portrayed as a bully, petty thief, neglectful horse owner, and heartless killer or a sweet, caring friend railroaded by authorities desperate to solve a double-murder case that snagged worldwide interest. There is so much in your comment with which I can take issue, but Ill try to keep to the salient points. My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! Andy did end up moving to Colorado with her and the last time I checked, they were still together. So, lets take your response one step at a time. The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. you dont want to fall off and hurt your oversized ego. (A good point. It was winter which are cold in PA and would slow down decomposition and minimize insect activity although you are correct about the rodentswhy were there none? I would have liked better her being put to death! Microconidia DNA, as long as the strand is one inch long they can pull the DNA from that. I thought the same. And last but not least, the fact that Michael McIntyre comes across as mentally unstable. Despite the fact it has never been proved thats exactly how it happened, it seems to be accepted as fact it could just as possibly have been the other way round, beaten and then shot. She will be in jail for the rest of her life and rightly so. And your attempt to draw a distinction between a fact and an opinion! Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. The phone wire was located at the opposite end of the basement, which was dark. Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? And in a piece of salacious testimony, Patricia Rorrers half sister, Sandra Ireland, said that in May 1995, about six months after the murder, their mother, Patricia Chambers, stopped by the house and asked her to hold onto or hide a gun, or both. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. I expect she will admit it one day. I cant lose them, he told the media. Yeah, no. Why wouldnt they let any of her witnesses testify? Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. Theyre just not willing to investigate/research as to the truth. On June 14, 1989, Patricia Wright and her 7-year-old son, Alfey, were riding in a car driven by family friend Lawrence Slaughter. I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours Your assertion that most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense is in fact nonsense the reality is that most people are easily fooled by these biased documentaries who then feel its okay to spout their tripe as if its the gospel. Stop defending her when she is guilty!!!!! Amina was 18 years old and was shot two times and Sarah was 17 Omg so well put! If documentaries are, as you claim, biased against Rorrer, the obvious question is why. Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty Thursday to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000. Just one example. The state police dropped him as a suspect. Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? In pleading guilty, Islam Said admitted that evidence proved he committed the crimes charged in the superseding indictment filed in November 2020.